|SOME NOTES ON MEDIEVAL ENGLISH GENEALOGY|
Volume 12, part 2, page 198:
He [John de Uvedale (d. 1321/2)] m., 2ndly, between 21 Aug. 1297 and (probably) 10 Sep. 1299, Joan, widow of Sir Robert DE CAMVILL. She d. before 13 Apr. 1303.(c) He m., 3rdly, before Hil. 1304/5 (probably before 16 May 1304), Isabel, da. of Gilbert ETTON, by Alice, sister and coh. of Thomas DE TITSEY.(d)
Page 197, note g:
... He was granted ... free warren at Titsey and Bedlested, Surrey, 16 May 1304, and at Bedingham, 23 Dec. 1306, in June of which year he bought the custody during minority of lands late of Roger de Tany in Stapleford Tawney and Elmstead, Essex ... (Cal. Charter Rolls, vol. iii, pp. 42, 81; Cal. Patent Rolls, 1301-07, pp. 439, 464, ...).
Page 198, note c:
When lic. was granted for Joan, late the wife of Roger de Tany, to marry John de Uvedale, King's yeoman, if she will. There is no evidence of the marriage having taken place, but this lic. explains the grant of Stapleford Tawney and Elmstead afsd. to John in 1306 (Idem, 1301-07, p. 134; see p. 197, note "g" above).
VCH., Surrey, vol. iv, p. 331; Surrey Fines, Surrey Arch. Soc., pp. 68, 86; Surrey Arch. Soc., Coll., vol. iv, pp. xvii-xviii; Cal. Inq. p.m., vol. iii, no. 402; see p. 197, note "g" above.
John's wife Isabel was not the daughter of Gilbert Etton by Alice, sister and coheir of Thomas de Titsey. There is no evidence that Isabel was married to John by 1304/5; apparently the earliest known reference to her as his wife is in 1318. So it is possible that John did marry Joan, late the wife of Roger de Tany, for which marriage a licence was granted in 1303. Joan died before 24 March 1308.
The heirs of Thomas de Titsey were his sister Alice, wife of Gilbert de Etton, and his nephews John de Malevyle and Roger de Horne [Calendar of Inquisitions post mortem, volume 3, number 402; Calendar of Fine Rolls, 1272–1307, p. 390; in the inquisition, his sister is called Alice de Malevyle, evidently in error]. By two fines made 16 June 1303 and recorded 27 Jan 1305, John de Uvedale's right to property in Camberwell and Titsey was acknowledged. In one, concerning two parts of a third part of the manor and advowson of Titsey and the reversion of a third part of the manor, at the first date the deforciants were Gilbert de Etton, Alice, his wife, and Eustace de Malevill, but at the second Gilbert and Alice were replaced by John de Westwyk and Margery his wife, kinswoman and heir of Alice [CP 25/1/227/28, number 21; see image at AALT]. In the other, concerning the reversion of a third part of the manor of Camberwell, at the first date the deforciants were Gilbert and Alice, but at the second they were replaced by John and Margery [CP 25/1/227/28, number 22; see image at AALT]. Evidently Alice died between those dates and Margery was her heir, so John's wife Isabel (who is not mentioned in these fines), could not have been Alice's daughter. There is nothing to indicate any relationship between the parties, so these would appear to represent an alienation by some of the heirs of Thomas de Titsey to John de Uvedale. As noted in the article, John was granted free warren at Titsey on 16 May 1304.
Apparently the earliest reference to Isabel as John's wife is on 20 January 1318, when by another fine lands in Titsey, Camberwell and elsewhere and the advowson of Titsey were settled on John and Isabel and the heirs of John [CP 25/1/228/36, number 16; see image at AALT]. In view of this, it is possible that the marriage to Joan, late the wife of Roger de Tany (d. 21 August 1301) [Calendar of Inquisitions post mortem, volume 4, number 28], for which a licence was granted on 13 April 1303, did take place, being followed in 1306 by the grants to John of the custody of the lands late of Roger de Tany, referred to in the article. Joan - described as late the wife of Roger de Tany - died before 24 March 1308, when the escheator on this side Trent was ordered to take her lands into the king's hand [Calendar of Fine Rolls, 1307–1319, p. 19].
[This evidence was provided by Bridget Wells-Furby in December 2019.
Item last updated: 30 March 2020.]